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[foggyjames]

I appear to have defected to the dark side. It's a 2005 (05) D5 'S', but with lots of options...leather, family pack, comms pack, bi-xenons, sat nav....so it's more like an SE without electric seats. It's one of the very last of the Euro 3 cars. It's done 200k miles, but it's very clean, and it was half the price it would have been with 100-120k on the clock.

It's a bit slow compared with the R, although surprisingly fast up to 40mph or so, and pulls well in 5th. The midrange (40-70) is a bit weak, and I'll be interested to have a ride in another one to see if it's 'right' or not. I suspect it's fine, and I'm just suffering from R withdrawal symptoms. A thorough cleaning of the EGR valve is on the cards. If this is all it has to give, I suspect a remap is in my future. My friend's remapped S60 E3 is just as quick as my V70R, and it also boosted fuel economy. Speaking of which...an overall average of 55-60mpg seems to be what I'm looking at. Very pleased with that.



Overall...I'm very impressed. It feels more 'solid' than the P1, although not as characterful or sporty. It's marginally quieter, and the stereo is better (despite the R having an external power amp, etc). There are a few niggles to sort out, but so far, I'm happy! It's only my daily driver, and I have other cars for petrolhead kicks. The extra £150-300 a month in my back pocket is well worth giving up a bit of a shove in the back for.

Speaking of which....anyone want to buy a V70R....?

cheers

James

[stedman]

Prick. (Jealous)

[foggyjames]

Two things I forgot...

Firstly, as the manual is a little vague, what does "Engine Service Required" mean? Is that just telling me it wants a service, or has it thrown a code? The 'emissions' light is on until you push the 'read' button. When the codes were read, we discovered that the clutch pedal switch is faulty, meaning that the cruise control won't work (which it doesn't). Might it just be that...?

Secondly, I need to say a HUGE public thanks to Ben for coming and casting his expert P2 eye over it for me. Much appreciated bud...and you're a jammy git with that T5!

cheers

James

[foggyjames]

You have more noise. And power. And gaygoldness. This does make me sad, but I need to be sensible (for once...says the guy with a lock-up full of cars).

cheers

James

[stedman]

Is that the Red T5...? I took the previous owner to collect that

[shemtek_racing]

i think its thrown a code mate a generic one might give you an idea

[Redbrick]

foggyjames, on 25 May 2011 - 20:47 , said:

Firstly, as the manual is a little vague, what does "Engine Service Required" mean? Is that just telling me it wants a service, or has it thrown a code?

Means you've probably got a boost leak. Welcome to the wonderful world of D5 ownership. lol

[shemtek_racing]

lol interboiler perhaps

[V70D5]

Welcome to the dark side.
Diseasels are good at what they do.  A remap will help enormously and make it a cracking everyday driver with a wee bit of fun.  I'm not surprised you are suffering from R withdrawals though. R V's a standard D5 .

Edited by V70D5, 25 May 2011 - 21:53 .

[V70Ben]

foggyjames, on 25 May 2011 - 20:47 , said:

Two things I forgot...

Firstly, as the manual is a little vague, what does "Engine Service Required" mean? Is that just telling me it wants a service, or has it thrown a code? The 'emissions' light is on until you push the 'read' button. When the codes were read, we discovered that the clutch pedal switch is faulty, meaning that the cruise control won't work (which it doesn't). Might it just be that...?

Secondly, I need to say a HUGE public thanks to Ben for coming and casting his expert P2 eye over it for me. Much appreciated bud...and you're a jammy git with that T5!

cheers

James

James,

I'll just read it out for you again No Point guessing, and no point fannying about with an OBD2 one.

I'm quite surprised, as it was very tidy codes wise.

If you wish, I'll be in Lincs on Monday if you fancy a trundle out.

[foggyjames]

I think I need a bit of P2 familiarity...re: the code. It's a bit ambiguous whether it's a fault or a routine service indicator...and the manual is hardly clear on the subject...not mentioning what happens when a fault code is thrown. A Google suggests that if it's a code it says "Engine Emission Service Required", not just "Engine Service Required", but I'm not sure I trust Google-fu. Can anyone confirm what those two messages (fault code and routine service) normally say?

Ben checked it with his Dice unit, and found nothing worrying, and it hasn't moved since then. It popped up with this straight away, so I'm tempted to say it's the pedal switch (despite the "engine" description)...but I guess I'll need a code reader to check  that. I have an eBay one for the P1, so I can try using that tomorrow. I see the purchase of a Dice unit in my future, anyway...I want to turn the damn headlights off, for a start!

cheers

James

[foggyjames]

Oops....missed that!

I guessed the generic reader wouldn't tell me much, but it was worth a try for free! Monday sounds good. Will you be around in the evening? It seems to drive perfectly happily, for what little that's worth.

cheers

James

[rhkumar]

Jesus! I thought you bought a honda

[Redbrick]

Engine service required is a fault code logged issue, this normally hits limp mode when you come on boost due to air leak. Can't for the life of me remember what normal service required message is but it's not the former.

[Mongo]

How are you getting 55+mpg out of it when all the specs when looking through Autotrader the fuel economy is stated as 41.5mpg?

[foggyjames]

Oh no, I'm not ready to cross over *that* far

Thanks for that Andy (it is Andy, isn't it....I'm not going mad?!). It's too early to speculate about the precise cause, but there's certainly no limp mode involved. Whether there's a more subtle loss of performance is another matter. I guess stage one is to see what Dice drags out of it this time. The handbook isn't completely clear, but suggests there are three levels of "service warning", presumably increasing as you leave it longer...
1) "Time for regular service"
2) "Service required"
3) "Service urgent"
There isn't anything listed for what "Engine Service Required" means. I would have assumed it meant it wants an oil change, except that the emissions control light is on until you hit 'read'. I'm still suspicious it's the pedal switch (unless a P2 expert can tell me it wouldn't give me that message for something like that that's not directly engine-related).

The figure quoted in Auto Trader will be the combined figure. I don't know exactly how it's worked out, but it'll include urban work, and most of the cycles include hard acceleration, too. Much of my motoring is far more economical in nature than that used to calculate the combined figure. The V70R combined figure is 24mpg if memory serves correctly, but mid 30s were perfectly possible on the right journey. I don't find driving fast on motorways particularly interesting...I'd rather give it a bootfull up to 70mph, then stick the cruise on, put on some music, and let the miles tick by. B-roads are, of course, a very different story...

I managed 67mpg on the way back from collecting the D5...where I was doing 70mph on the A1, and 60mph on the A57. A reset then cold start followed by a high speed trip to work (15 miles or so) saw 36mpg. 45-50mpg seems typical at legal speeds for that relatively short run with cold start. Longer distance A-road work is typically seeing mid 50s...add 5-10mpg if it's flat and continuous (i.e. no roundabouts, etc), and more if you're willing to do 60mph. A friend averaged 81mpg in an E3 S60 with a Rica map over 400 miles...on a third of a tank. I imagine he had the cruise on at 60mph. Fine if the budget is tight and you're in no hurry. On the other hand, a mixture of town work and driving hard out of town would see you well down in the 30s, which is presumably where that figure in the low 40s comes from.

cheers

James

[Sir Drivealot]

How's about taking a bit of your own advice......

So you say you bought a 200K oil burner.

Then you say "A thorough cleaning of the EGR valve is on the cards"

Then you say... "Engine Service Required" and " The 'emissions' light is on"

Before I'd do anything I'd look at the EGR and then the DPF. (if it has one)

It is true, engine service required is a bit of a catch-all warning, but usually means that you have hit an "out of range" parameter which cannot be pinpointed to any definite fault.

[Sir Drivealot]

BTW.... Nice little purchase you have there....

[Sir Drivealot]

If you're going to "Dice" it, then it probably won't throw a definite error, but what I would recommend is logging some parameters to see if there is a clue in the values plotted.

Me and Ben did it with mine with both VADIS and VIDA when I bought it.

Mine had a "Cam position sensor" code lurking, but a full run through of the VIDA / VADIS cam (C V V T) diagnostics plot (both cams) showed no errors at all.

[foggyjames]

Thanks Joules It's a Euro 3, so no DPF. Taking a look at the EGR valve is definitely a priority (is there a guide anywhere handy?), although past experience with them (not on Volvos) hasn't involved the throwing of codes...but has compromised performance. Of course that may well not apply to a D5. The code only seems to register once the car starts moving. I will try to work out the timing more scientifically tomorrow.

One thing I completely forgot earlier...a question for the D5 owners (which may or may not have anything to do with the above!). Does the following sound at all familiar? The first few times, I started it like I would any other car, and it sounded to have fired, but then stalled immediately after I released the key. If I keep cranking it for maybe half a second after it sounds to have fired, it's fine every time. I've now got the knack of cranking it for exactly the right length of time....but really....WTF? Is this some sort of secret D5 funny handshake? It doesn't make any funny noises, or misfire, or anything like that...it just stalls. It's just as if I've released the key early...but it *has* fired. I know what a running engine sounds like! Ring any bells? I'll try a quicker release of the key tomorrow as a sanity check!

cheers

James